What Does Don’t Pass Mean In Craps
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*Don’t Pass Line BetguitarmandpOkay I’m mostly a don’t pass player and I like to bet $10 and I lay 5X odds. I’ve been made fun of here for trying to different ’systems’ when I’m getting creamed on the don’t pass but for the most part I like to bet $10 and lay 5x odds if it’s a 5, 6, 8, or 9 and I don’t like to risk $100 to win $50 so I lay $50 or $60 if 4 or 10 is the point.Anyways at the casino around here you’ve got people doing all kinds of hop bets, hardways, hop the hardways, and all the other proposition bets which really slows down the game. This is even worse on Friday and Saturday night as the tables are so jam packed that you can barely move. So if I want to gamble I go to the $25 seven stars/diamond table where none of those amateurs are there. There are less players, you feel like you can breathe, you don’t 5 people betting $1 or $2 on all the hardways. The problem with this table is the $25 minimum kills me on the don’t pass on a bad come out roll. On a $25 table I bet a lot more on flat bets and a lot less on odds. I’ve seen the $25 table go around with shooter after shooter rolling 2 or 3 naturals and before I know it my bankroll is gone even on a cold table!Here’s my question. If I were to bet both the passline and the don’t pass, I understand I would loose on a 12 but if I bet on both the passline and don’t pass line at the same time for $25 at the same time and then I put down $60-$75 in odds on the 5, 6, 8, and 9 would this be close to the same house edge as if I only placed a $10 don’t pass bet with 5x odds?
The pass line isn’t much worse than the don’t pass, but it’s still worse so you shouldn’t use it. When you evaluate the return numbers for every other available craps wager, you can quickly see that none of the other options are as good as the two best bets listed in the previous sections. Not only that, if craps is played correctly, the percentage favoring the house is less than video poker, slots, roulette and even blackjack; that is, Ralph, if players like you follow the fundamental principles I’ve laid out on my audio tapes and stick to pass line bets with odds or placing the six and eight.ThatDonGuy
Here’s my question. If I were to bet both the passline and the don’t pass, I understand I would loose on a 12 but if I bet on both the passline and don’t pass line at the same time for $25 at the same time and then I put down $60-$75 in odds on the 5, 6, 8, and 9 would this be close to the same house edge as if I only placed a $10 don’t pass bet with 5x odds?I would have to crunch some numbers, but my initial reaction is no, it isn’t, as the pass bet has a higher house edge than the don’t pass, so you’re moving $25 of your bet to a worse bet. You might as well increase your odds bets when you bet $50 on don’t from 50-60 to 60-75.guitarmandpI thought the house edge on the pass was 1.41% and the house edge on the don’t is 1.36%. I think the risk of an occasional 12 might not be as big of a risk as a come out roll that goes 7, 7, 11, point; If you get enough of those rolls at a $25 table it can eat into your money fast. I like to play the $10 tables and put $60 on the 6 & 8 and $75 on the 5 & 9; I was at a table earlier today where 4 & 10 were the point 5 times and they made the point all 5 times. Not worth it to put odds on it if it only pays you half IMO.ThatDonGuy
I thought the house edge on the pass was 1.41% and the house edge on the don’t is 1.36%.They are - which is why moving $25 from don’t pass to pass won’t lower the overall house edge.guitarmandpI never said move the don’t pass to pass, I said have a $25 chip on both so the only way you can loose on the come out is if they roll a 12, and then lay your odds on the don’t passAhigh
I never said move the don’t pass to pass, I said have a $25 chip on both so the only way you can loose on the come out is if they roll a 12, and then lay your odds on the don’t passIt’s easier to understand this play on a $1 10x odds table such as Joker’s Wild. If you bet the pass and don’t pass for $1 each as well as the come and don’t come for $1 each every roll, the cost to play is $1 every 36 rolls (the twelve). This (continuous-come + continous-dc) strategy costs about $3 per hour to employ with absolutely zero chance to win.But for that $3 per hour (or 3x minimum bet per hour cost) it opens up both the opportunity for odds and lay odds for at least 1 number 5/6th of all rolls (every roll except immediately after a seven).Assuming you only play one side, the cost to play this way is exactly double the normal cost of only playing one side, and you completely kill the volatility of the line bets. This leaves you with only the volatility of the odds and lay odds bets.In order to win, you need to be a lot of odds or lay odds, but you can win with twice cost when the edge on a percentage basis is still under 1% very easily.The problem most people run into is that they can’t afford to have big enough odds for lots of numbers to get the edge down under 1%. If you’re not under 1%, you might as well just bet no odds or single odds and keep it simple. But at 10x odds working the comeout, this strategy can work. It’s just a LITTLE BIT harder to win.But try it at Joker’s Wild, and you can probably stomach the costs and win with complete continuous come+dc bets if you work the comeout roll with your odds and always take 10x odds on one side of each bet.ThatDonGuy
I never said move the don’t pass to pass, I said have a $25 chip on both so the only way you can loose on the come out is if they roll a 12, and then lay your odds on the don’t passYou’re still better off in terms of house edge by betting the whole $50 on Don’t - that’s what I meant by ’moving the $25 to Pass’. (I forgot that your ’original’ bet was only $10.)FleaStiff>Okay I’m mostly a don’t pass player ...That is like saying I’m mostly a ’tails’ players. Right and Wrong players at craps are like ’heads’ and ’tails’. So close to each as makes no difference whatsoever. Sure, Don’t Players have some slight smidgen of a better mathematical chance, but it also takes a bit more bankroll to do the Don’t Side properly.> and I like to bet $10 and I lay 5X odds.Good for you, that makes you a bit of an ’average player’.> I’ve been made fun of here ...All in good nature, I’m sure. We don’t ridicule people here, though we do try to be humorous at times.>for trying two different ’systems’ when I’m getting creamed on the don’t pass The only system to play when you are getting creamed on the Don’t Pass is known as ’Admit your mistake and Switch to the Pass Line’. >but for the most part I like to bet $10 That’s fine as long as the table minimum signs allow it.>and lay 5x odds if it’s a 5, 6, 8, or 9 and I don’t like to risk $100 to win $50 so I lay $50 or $60 if 4 or 10 is the point.Seems okay on the math. Most of your money is the odds bet and that is proper.>Anyways at the casino around here you’ve got people doing all kinds of hop bets, hardways, hop the hardways, >and all the other proposition bets which really slows down the game.Yeah, but they are players too and the casino wants their money too and only the casino can comment on their style of play. > This is even worse on Friday and Saturday night as the tables are so jam packed that you can barely move.Man, that sure does make the casino happy. Gamblers blowing their bankroll at the end of the week and slurping up some booze and staring a the cocktail waitress’s boobs. Whats the world coming too? I don’t know, but the casino is happy and the waitress is making good tips on a Friday or Saturday night, even if its a bit rowdy and the dice are moving slow and she is getting a head ache from all that whoopin’ and hollerin’ stuff.> So if I want to gamble I go to the $25 seven stars/diamond table where none of those amateurs are there.Again, that’s just fine. Casinos don’t care what game you play as long as you play it at their casino.> There are less players, you feel like you can breathe, you don’t 5 people betting $1 or $2 on all the hardways. Yeah, its quieter and there are fewer distractions over penny ante stuff.>The problem with this table is the $25 minimum kills me on the don’t pass on a bad come out roll.Yeah, well that sort of happens. You pay for solitude or relative solitude but they don’t sell you any immunity from a come out roll loss. Drat it all. > On a $25 table I bet a lot more on flat bets and a lot less on odds.Sorry Charlie, but our fearless leader and just about every dealer in town will tell you that ain’t the way to do it. Some people have different goals: Time at table, make a killing, get that CW into the sack, get drunk, yell the loudest over a one dollar hop bet, talk the loudest to the dice, etc. etc. > I’ve seen the $25 table go around with shooter after shooter rolling 2 or 3 naturals and before I know it my bankroll is goneBoy, you sure are right! Its enough to drive you crazy. That is when I grab the waitress, bury my head in her boobs and ask her to support me and she uses her knees (both of them) and calls security.> even on a cold table!Yep. But perhaps you are staying too long on the Don’ts. Are you ’wedded’ to the Dark Side? Most players approach a table and try to determine ’Do, Don’t or Choppy’.Maybe you should not have a ’favorite’ strategy but should use a strategy that is appropriate to time and place and table. One thing is certain though. If you really are NOT bankrolled for a 25.00 table, you ain’t gonna be happy there for long.So go back to the ten dollar table with all the elbows and all the whoopin’ and hollerin’ over a one dollar hardway and all those twenty minuted dances before the shooter actually throws the darned dice. If you are looking for ’time at table’ the math rules.Go look at those Gambler’s Ruin charts that show how many units you need at a craps table. There are lots of footnotes to those charts but none of them say anything about a nice quiet table. They just say: five dollars, ten dollars, twenty-five dollars, etc. They explain gambler’s ruin at a 90 percent confidence level ... and the reason its not based on ’table manners of the players’ is that Lady Luck visits are simply not based upon whether the guy next to you whoops and hollers and hops the hardways or not. Gambler’s Ruin is based on YOUR bankroll, not the bankroll of the other players or the social behavior of the other players.So even if you like the dont side very much.... don’t get married to it.>Here’s my question. If I were to bet both the passline and the don’t pass,....You would be hedging your bets which means you would never win enough to make it worth your time standing there praying the dice gods don’t give you no twelves.> I understand I would loose on a 12 Yes and twelves will indeed roll.>but if I bet on both the passline and don’t pass line at the same time for $25 at the same timethen you are a wuss who can’t make up his mind, place his bet and accept the results.> and then I put down $60-$75 in odds on the 5, 6, 8, and 9 ....ah come oh, you can play zero odds and it ain’t gonna change nuttin’.> would this be close to the same house edge as if I only placed a $10 don’t pass bet with 5x odds?would also be close to the same house edge as if you only placed a ten dollar PassLine bet with 5x odds too.guitarmandpLost $500 trying this that’s the bad news; The good news is that in 3 hours of playing, they only rolled a single 12 the entire 3 hour session. I only lost $25 once on a come out roll which was my goal was to basically break even or loose an insignificant amount of money on the come out roll, and hopefully the table would be cold but lady luck was not on my side tonight. It was a strange table where there were only 3 people there but of the 2 of the 3 people couldn’t make any points but the other person was making three or four points every time he shot. If I had been putting money behind my passline bet when he shot instead of the don’t pass whenever he shot I would have easily doubled my money, but hindsight is always 20/20.I was betting $25 on the don’t pass, $25 on the passline, and I had 2x odds behind my don’t pass bets of 5, 6, 8, and 9 and 1x odds behind my 4 and 10 don’t pass bets.guitarmandp
ah come oh, you can play zero odds and it ain’t gonna change nuttin’.Don’t Pass Betting StrategyIf I would have played zero odds I would have left with $475 because they rolled a 12 on the come out roll at the very beginning of the session. I lost an additional $475 laying 2x odds behind my don’t pass bet. I *WISH* that I had zero odds or odds behind the passline on the ’hot shooter’
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Craps seems like a complicated game because there are so many terms and slang for different bets. Learning the lingo can help you understand the game.
*2-Way: Player betting one roll wager for himself AND the dealers.
*3-Way Craps: A bet made in units of 3 with one unit on 2, one unit on 3, and one unit on 12.
*Aces: Betting that the next roll will be the total sum of 2. Also called Snake Eyes.
*Any Craps: A bet that the next roll will be 2, 3, or 12.
*Any Seven: A bet that the next roll will be 7.
*Big Red: Another word for seven. Players will not use the world seven at the table.
*Black: Dealer slang for $100 gaming chips which in most casinos are black.
*Bones: Another name for dice.
*Boxcars: Slang for the 12. Also called midnight.
*Boxman: Table supervisor who sits between the dealers and opposite the stickman.
*Box Numbers: These are the place bet numbers; 4-5-6-8-9-10.
*Boys or The Boys: Slang for the Dealers.
*Cold Dice: Expression used to describe the table when no one is making their point.
*Color In: What you say when cashing out smaller valued chips for larger valued chips when leaving the craps table.
*Come bet: A bet made after the point is established. It is exactly like a pass line bet.
*Come out roll: The first roll of the dice to establish a point.
*Comp: Complimentary or freebies provided to players based on their action.
*Crap Numbers: The numbers 2,3 and 12.
*Craps Check: Betting on any craps during the come out roll to hedge your pass line bet.
*Don’t Come bet: A don’t pass bet made after the point is established.
*Don’t Pass bet: A bet that the shooter will not make his point.
*Double odds: An odds bet that is twice the size of the original pass/come bet. Some casinos offer higher odds.
*Eye in the Sky: Surveillance department or the cameras in the ceiling to watch the players and dealers.
*Front Line: Another name for a pass line bet.
*Garden: Slang for the field bet.
*George: A player who is a good tipper.
*Green: Dealer slang for $25 gaming chips which in most casinos are green.
*Hard Way: A bet on 4, 6, 8, or 10 that wins only if the dice roll as pairs; 2-2, 3-3, 4-4, 5-5.
*Hi-Lo: A one roll bet on 2 & 12
*Hi-Lo-Yo: A one roll bet on 2,12 & 11.
*Hop bet: A bet that the next roll will result in one particular combination of the dice, such as; 3-5. 2-2, 3-3, 4-4 etc.
*Horn bet: A bet that the next roll will be 2, 3, 11, or 12, made in multiples of 4, with one unit on each of the numbers.
*Horn High bet: A bet made in multiples of 5 with one unit on 3 of the horn numbers, and two units on the ’high’ number (number 12).
*Hot Dice or Hot Table: When players are winning or a player is rolling a lot of numbers.
*Inside Numbers: Place bets on the numbers 5-6 -8-9
*Lay bet: A bet that a 7 will be rolled before the number you are placing (4,5,6,8,9, or 10) comes up.
*Lay-Out: The printed area on the felt where wagers can be placed.
*Lay Odds: After a point has been established an additional odds bet can be made that will win if the original don’t pass bet wins.
*Little Joe: Slang for a pair of twos or Hard 4.
*Marker: The plastic disk used to mark the point. One side is printed “on” and the other “off”.
*Mark the Point: The dealer puts the Puck on the layout to indicate the point number.
*Midnight: Slang for the 12. Also called box cars.
*Natural: A seven or 11 thrown on the come out roll for a winning bet.
*One Roll Bet: A bet in craps that is one or lost in a single roll.
*Odds Bet: An additional wager made in addition to the pass line bet.
*Off: What you say to indicate that they are not active on the next roll of the dice.
*Off and On: Refers to the way that Dealers pays off COME BETS when a new come bet is the same number as one already established.
*On: This means that your bets are working or in action.
*Outside Numbers: Place bets on the 4-10 –5-9.
*Parlay: Adding your winnings to an original bet and wagering it all.
*Pass Line Bet: A wager made on the come out roll in which you are betting that the shooter will make the point.
*Place bet: A bet that a particular number (4, 5, 6, 8, 9, or 10) will be rolled before a 7 is rolled.
*Point: The number established by the come out roll.
*Proposition Bet: A wager on one of the bets in the center of the layout.
*Right Better: A player with a bet on the pass line.
*Rack: The grooved rail where you keep your chips.
*Seven Out: Expression when a shooter rolls a seven before making their point thus losing the pass line bet.
*Shooter: The player rolling the dice.
*Snake Eyes: Slang for the number 2. Also called aces.
*Stickman: The dealer with the stick that pushed the dice to the shooter and calls the rolls.
*Toke: Another word for a tip.
*World Bet: A bet on the horn numbers along with any seven. (2-3-11-12)
*Wrong Bettor: A player betting against the shooter.
*Yo or Yo-leven: The word used for rolling an eleven so as to not confuse it with “seven.”
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*Don’t Pass Line BetguitarmandpOkay I’m mostly a don’t pass player and I like to bet $10 and I lay 5X odds. I’ve been made fun of here for trying to different ’systems’ when I’m getting creamed on the don’t pass but for the most part I like to bet $10 and lay 5x odds if it’s a 5, 6, 8, or 9 and I don’t like to risk $100 to win $50 so I lay $50 or $60 if 4 or 10 is the point.Anyways at the casino around here you’ve got people doing all kinds of hop bets, hardways, hop the hardways, and all the other proposition bets which really slows down the game. This is even worse on Friday and Saturday night as the tables are so jam packed that you can barely move. So if I want to gamble I go to the $25 seven stars/diamond table where none of those amateurs are there. There are less players, you feel like you can breathe, you don’t 5 people betting $1 or $2 on all the hardways. The problem with this table is the $25 minimum kills me on the don’t pass on a bad come out roll. On a $25 table I bet a lot more on flat bets and a lot less on odds. I’ve seen the $25 table go around with shooter after shooter rolling 2 or 3 naturals and before I know it my bankroll is gone even on a cold table!Here’s my question. If I were to bet both the passline and the don’t pass, I understand I would loose on a 12 but if I bet on both the passline and don’t pass line at the same time for $25 at the same time and then I put down $60-$75 in odds on the 5, 6, 8, and 9 would this be close to the same house edge as if I only placed a $10 don’t pass bet with 5x odds?
The pass line isn’t much worse than the don’t pass, but it’s still worse so you shouldn’t use it. When you evaluate the return numbers for every other available craps wager, you can quickly see that none of the other options are as good as the two best bets listed in the previous sections. Not only that, if craps is played correctly, the percentage favoring the house is less than video poker, slots, roulette and even blackjack; that is, Ralph, if players like you follow the fundamental principles I’ve laid out on my audio tapes and stick to pass line bets with odds or placing the six and eight.ThatDonGuy
Here’s my question. If I were to bet both the passline and the don’t pass, I understand I would loose on a 12 but if I bet on both the passline and don’t pass line at the same time for $25 at the same time and then I put down $60-$75 in odds on the 5, 6, 8, and 9 would this be close to the same house edge as if I only placed a $10 don’t pass bet with 5x odds?I would have to crunch some numbers, but my initial reaction is no, it isn’t, as the pass bet has a higher house edge than the don’t pass, so you’re moving $25 of your bet to a worse bet. You might as well increase your odds bets when you bet $50 on don’t from 50-60 to 60-75.guitarmandpI thought the house edge on the pass was 1.41% and the house edge on the don’t is 1.36%. I think the risk of an occasional 12 might not be as big of a risk as a come out roll that goes 7, 7, 11, point; If you get enough of those rolls at a $25 table it can eat into your money fast. I like to play the $10 tables and put $60 on the 6 & 8 and $75 on the 5 & 9; I was at a table earlier today where 4 & 10 were the point 5 times and they made the point all 5 times. Not worth it to put odds on it if it only pays you half IMO.ThatDonGuy
I thought the house edge on the pass was 1.41% and the house edge on the don’t is 1.36%.They are - which is why moving $25 from don’t pass to pass won’t lower the overall house edge.guitarmandpI never said move the don’t pass to pass, I said have a $25 chip on both so the only way you can loose on the come out is if they roll a 12, and then lay your odds on the don’t passAhigh
I never said move the don’t pass to pass, I said have a $25 chip on both so the only way you can loose on the come out is if they roll a 12, and then lay your odds on the don’t passIt’s easier to understand this play on a $1 10x odds table such as Joker’s Wild. If you bet the pass and don’t pass for $1 each as well as the come and don’t come for $1 each every roll, the cost to play is $1 every 36 rolls (the twelve). This (continuous-come + continous-dc) strategy costs about $3 per hour to employ with absolutely zero chance to win.But for that $3 per hour (or 3x minimum bet per hour cost) it opens up both the opportunity for odds and lay odds for at least 1 number 5/6th of all rolls (every roll except immediately after a seven).Assuming you only play one side, the cost to play this way is exactly double the normal cost of only playing one side, and you completely kill the volatility of the line bets. This leaves you with only the volatility of the odds and lay odds bets.In order to win, you need to be a lot of odds or lay odds, but you can win with twice cost when the edge on a percentage basis is still under 1% very easily.The problem most people run into is that they can’t afford to have big enough odds for lots of numbers to get the edge down under 1%. If you’re not under 1%, you might as well just bet no odds or single odds and keep it simple. But at 10x odds working the comeout, this strategy can work. It’s just a LITTLE BIT harder to win.But try it at Joker’s Wild, and you can probably stomach the costs and win with complete continuous come+dc bets if you work the comeout roll with your odds and always take 10x odds on one side of each bet.ThatDonGuy
I never said move the don’t pass to pass, I said have a $25 chip on both so the only way you can loose on the come out is if they roll a 12, and then lay your odds on the don’t passYou’re still better off in terms of house edge by betting the whole $50 on Don’t - that’s what I meant by ’moving the $25 to Pass’. (I forgot that your ’original’ bet was only $10.)FleaStiff>Okay I’m mostly a don’t pass player ...That is like saying I’m mostly a ’tails’ players. Right and Wrong players at craps are like ’heads’ and ’tails’. So close to each as makes no difference whatsoever. Sure, Don’t Players have some slight smidgen of a better mathematical chance, but it also takes a bit more bankroll to do the Don’t Side properly.> and I like to bet $10 and I lay 5X odds.Good for you, that makes you a bit of an ’average player’.> I’ve been made fun of here ...All in good nature, I’m sure. We don’t ridicule people here, though we do try to be humorous at times.>for trying two different ’systems’ when I’m getting creamed on the don’t pass The only system to play when you are getting creamed on the Don’t Pass is known as ’Admit your mistake and Switch to the Pass Line’. >but for the most part I like to bet $10 That’s fine as long as the table minimum signs allow it.>and lay 5x odds if it’s a 5, 6, 8, or 9 and I don’t like to risk $100 to win $50 so I lay $50 or $60 if 4 or 10 is the point.Seems okay on the math. Most of your money is the odds bet and that is proper.>Anyways at the casino around here you’ve got people doing all kinds of hop bets, hardways, hop the hardways, >and all the other proposition bets which really slows down the game.Yeah, but they are players too and the casino wants their money too and only the casino can comment on their style of play. > This is even worse on Friday and Saturday night as the tables are so jam packed that you can barely move.Man, that sure does make the casino happy. Gamblers blowing their bankroll at the end of the week and slurping up some booze and staring a the cocktail waitress’s boobs. Whats the world coming too? I don’t know, but the casino is happy and the waitress is making good tips on a Friday or Saturday night, even if its a bit rowdy and the dice are moving slow and she is getting a head ache from all that whoopin’ and hollerin’ stuff.> So if I want to gamble I go to the $25 seven stars/diamond table where none of those amateurs are there.Again, that’s just fine. Casinos don’t care what game you play as long as you play it at their casino.> There are less players, you feel like you can breathe, you don’t 5 people betting $1 or $2 on all the hardways. Yeah, its quieter and there are fewer distractions over penny ante stuff.>The problem with this table is the $25 minimum kills me on the don’t pass on a bad come out roll.Yeah, well that sort of happens. You pay for solitude or relative solitude but they don’t sell you any immunity from a come out roll loss. Drat it all. > On a $25 table I bet a lot more on flat bets and a lot less on odds.Sorry Charlie, but our fearless leader and just about every dealer in town will tell you that ain’t the way to do it. Some people have different goals: Time at table, make a killing, get that CW into the sack, get drunk, yell the loudest over a one dollar hop bet, talk the loudest to the dice, etc. etc. > I’ve seen the $25 table go around with shooter after shooter rolling 2 or 3 naturals and before I know it my bankroll is goneBoy, you sure are right! Its enough to drive you crazy. That is when I grab the waitress, bury my head in her boobs and ask her to support me and she uses her knees (both of them) and calls security.> even on a cold table!Yep. But perhaps you are staying too long on the Don’ts. Are you ’wedded’ to the Dark Side? Most players approach a table and try to determine ’Do, Don’t or Choppy’.Maybe you should not have a ’favorite’ strategy but should use a strategy that is appropriate to time and place and table. One thing is certain though. If you really are NOT bankrolled for a 25.00 table, you ain’t gonna be happy there for long.So go back to the ten dollar table with all the elbows and all the whoopin’ and hollerin’ over a one dollar hardway and all those twenty minuted dances before the shooter actually throws the darned dice. If you are looking for ’time at table’ the math rules.Go look at those Gambler’s Ruin charts that show how many units you need at a craps table. There are lots of footnotes to those charts but none of them say anything about a nice quiet table. They just say: five dollars, ten dollars, twenty-five dollars, etc. They explain gambler’s ruin at a 90 percent confidence level ... and the reason its not based on ’table manners of the players’ is that Lady Luck visits are simply not based upon whether the guy next to you whoops and hollers and hops the hardways or not. Gambler’s Ruin is based on YOUR bankroll, not the bankroll of the other players or the social behavior of the other players.So even if you like the dont side very much.... don’t get married to it.>Here’s my question. If I were to bet both the passline and the don’t pass,....You would be hedging your bets which means you would never win enough to make it worth your time standing there praying the dice gods don’t give you no twelves.> I understand I would loose on a 12 Yes and twelves will indeed roll.>but if I bet on both the passline and don’t pass line at the same time for $25 at the same timethen you are a wuss who can’t make up his mind, place his bet and accept the results.> and then I put down $60-$75 in odds on the 5, 6, 8, and 9 ....ah come oh, you can play zero odds and it ain’t gonna change nuttin’.> would this be close to the same house edge as if I only placed a $10 don’t pass bet with 5x odds?would also be close to the same house edge as if you only placed a ten dollar PassLine bet with 5x odds too.guitarmandpLost $500 trying this that’s the bad news; The good news is that in 3 hours of playing, they only rolled a single 12 the entire 3 hour session. I only lost $25 once on a come out roll which was my goal was to basically break even or loose an insignificant amount of money on the come out roll, and hopefully the table would be cold but lady luck was not on my side tonight. It was a strange table where there were only 3 people there but of the 2 of the 3 people couldn’t make any points but the other person was making three or four points every time he shot. If I had been putting money behind my passline bet when he shot instead of the don’t pass whenever he shot I would have easily doubled my money, but hindsight is always 20/20.I was betting $25 on the don’t pass, $25 on the passline, and I had 2x odds behind my don’t pass bets of 5, 6, 8, and 9 and 1x odds behind my 4 and 10 don’t pass bets.guitarmandp
ah come oh, you can play zero odds and it ain’t gonna change nuttin’.Don’t Pass Betting StrategyIf I would have played zero odds I would have left with $475 because they rolled a 12 on the come out roll at the very beginning of the session. I lost an additional $475 laying 2x odds behind my don’t pass bet. I *WISH* that I had zero odds or odds behind the passline on the ’hot shooter’
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Craps seems like a complicated game because there are so many terms and slang for different bets. Learning the lingo can help you understand the game.
*2-Way: Player betting one roll wager for himself AND the dealers.
*3-Way Craps: A bet made in units of 3 with one unit on 2, one unit on 3, and one unit on 12.
*Aces: Betting that the next roll will be the total sum of 2. Also called Snake Eyes.
*Any Craps: A bet that the next roll will be 2, 3, or 12.
*Any Seven: A bet that the next roll will be 7.
*Big Red: Another word for seven. Players will not use the world seven at the table.
*Black: Dealer slang for $100 gaming chips which in most casinos are black.
*Bones: Another name for dice.
*Boxcars: Slang for the 12. Also called midnight.
*Boxman: Table supervisor who sits between the dealers and opposite the stickman.
*Box Numbers: These are the place bet numbers; 4-5-6-8-9-10.
*Boys or The Boys: Slang for the Dealers.
*Cold Dice: Expression used to describe the table when no one is making their point.
*Color In: What you say when cashing out smaller valued chips for larger valued chips when leaving the craps table.
*Come bet: A bet made after the point is established. It is exactly like a pass line bet.
*Come out roll: The first roll of the dice to establish a point.
*Comp: Complimentary or freebies provided to players based on their action.
*Crap Numbers: The numbers 2,3 and 12.
*Craps Check: Betting on any craps during the come out roll to hedge your pass line bet.
*Don’t Come bet: A don’t pass bet made after the point is established.
*Don’t Pass bet: A bet that the shooter will not make his point.
*Double odds: An odds bet that is twice the size of the original pass/come bet. Some casinos offer higher odds.
*Eye in the Sky: Surveillance department or the cameras in the ceiling to watch the players and dealers.
*Front Line: Another name for a pass line bet.
*Garden: Slang for the field bet.
*George: A player who is a good tipper.
*Green: Dealer slang for $25 gaming chips which in most casinos are green.
*Hard Way: A bet on 4, 6, 8, or 10 that wins only if the dice roll as pairs; 2-2, 3-3, 4-4, 5-5.
*Hi-Lo: A one roll bet on 2 & 12
*Hi-Lo-Yo: A one roll bet on 2,12 & 11.
*Hop bet: A bet that the next roll will result in one particular combination of the dice, such as; 3-5. 2-2, 3-3, 4-4 etc.
*Horn bet: A bet that the next roll will be 2, 3, 11, or 12, made in multiples of 4, with one unit on each of the numbers.
*Horn High bet: A bet made in multiples of 5 with one unit on 3 of the horn numbers, and two units on the ’high’ number (number 12).
*Hot Dice or Hot Table: When players are winning or a player is rolling a lot of numbers.
*Inside Numbers: Place bets on the numbers 5-6 -8-9
*Lay bet: A bet that a 7 will be rolled before the number you are placing (4,5,6,8,9, or 10) comes up.
*Lay-Out: The printed area on the felt where wagers can be placed.
*Lay Odds: After a point has been established an additional odds bet can be made that will win if the original don’t pass bet wins.
*Little Joe: Slang for a pair of twos or Hard 4.
*Marker: The plastic disk used to mark the point. One side is printed “on” and the other “off”.
*Mark the Point: The dealer puts the Puck on the layout to indicate the point number.
*Midnight: Slang for the 12. Also called box cars.
*Natural: A seven or 11 thrown on the come out roll for a winning bet.
*One Roll Bet: A bet in craps that is one or lost in a single roll.
*Odds Bet: An additional wager made in addition to the pass line bet.
*Off: What you say to indicate that they are not active on the next roll of the dice.
*Off and On: Refers to the way that Dealers pays off COME BETS when a new come bet is the same number as one already established.
*On: This means that your bets are working or in action.
*Outside Numbers: Place bets on the 4-10 –5-9.
*Parlay: Adding your winnings to an original bet and wagering it all.
*Pass Line Bet: A wager made on the come out roll in which you are betting that the shooter will make the point.
*Place bet: A bet that a particular number (4, 5, 6, 8, 9, or 10) will be rolled before a 7 is rolled.
*Point: The number established by the come out roll.
*Proposition Bet: A wager on one of the bets in the center of the layout.
*Right Better: A player with a bet on the pass line.
*Rack: The grooved rail where you keep your chips.
*Seven Out: Expression when a shooter rolls a seven before making their point thus losing the pass line bet.
*Shooter: The player rolling the dice.
*Snake Eyes: Slang for the number 2. Also called aces.
*Stickman: The dealer with the stick that pushed the dice to the shooter and calls the rolls.
*Toke: Another word for a tip.
*World Bet: A bet on the horn numbers along with any seven. (2-3-11-12)
*Wrong Bettor: A player betting against the shooter.
*Yo or Yo-leven: The word used for rolling an eleven so as to not confuse it with “seven.”
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